![]() ![]() It’s bad leadership and horrible compliance measures. Then were surprised when one team went too far with it. They had a long leash with teams using technology. They let steroids run amok then came down hard on the players for doing them. The problem as usual is MLB does not follow through with things, let’s it build into this widespread problem and then comes in and addresses it by throwing the players under the bus instead of just admitting they ultimately were the ones that fucked up. This shit wasn’t a story when it was just rosin and sunscreen. Rosin and sunscreen gives the pitcher a slight advantage, but it’s nothing compared to the results they are getting using substances like Spider Tack. With that said, the logical move here would be to go back to letting the guys use the rosin and sunscreen mix if they choose to, test the balls periodically and if anything besides rosin and sunscreen shows up on the surface of the ball, it warrants a suspension. But then they need to actually follow through. Baseball needs to define the parameters of what’s ok and what is not. Cheating is cheating at the end of the day. ![]() People here want to crucify Houston for cheating, but are perfectly content with letting Alex Rodriguez in the Hall of Fame. Pitchers will seek advantages and learn how to be sufficiently sneaky while getting them, but anything that's too well-known is going to be watched closely and that is going to be significantly risky for pitchers. It's not going to be perfectly policed, of course, but if anything looks vaguely suspicious, the opposing team's manager now has an incentive to call attention to it (imagine getting starter ejected in the first game of the series and the other team has to play a roster slot short for the rest of the series.). Sunscreen is going to incidentally sweat onto the hands, but there wouldn't be much reason to use the palms (especially shortly after touching the rosin bag) to wipe sweat off other bare skin. Obvious signs of spreading rosin elsewhere, or picking up the rosin bag and then immediately touching bare skin could be construed by the umps as grounds to check for attempts to circumvent the foreign substances rule (and immediately check the pitcher's hands for tackiness). Rosin doesn't need to be anywhere but the hands. There's going to be a lot of eyes on pitchers for a bit. So you'd at least limit the effectiveness of the mixture.Īlthough, honestly, I just assume the ban on mixing suncreen and rosin will go mostly unenforced if the pitchers are smart about how they mix it. IIRC Bauer said that Bullfrog sunscreen is the go-to brand. I would guess that the best bet for the MLB would be to outlaw specific sunscreen brands (or, even better, create a list of approved sunscreen brands). Sure, those arguments would be obvious covers for mixing sunscreen and rosin, but they would be absolutely valid. Meanwhile, a pitcher could also easily argue that he needs what seems like an excessive amount of rosin for better grip to combat sweating during day games. How much is too much suncreen? How much is too much rosin?Ī pitcher could easily get a dermatologist to defend an excessive use of sunscreen to protect perceived delicate skin. but it's not something the MLB can reasonably police. 2023 Postseason World SeriesĬlick a team's logo to visit their subreddit National League West news rumor opinion analysis trivia Serious image video gif game thread feature notice misleadingĪround the Horn general discussion thread - November 26, 2023 Henry Lim, MD, former president of the American Academy of Dermatology, email interview, June 26, 2019ĭr.Welcome to /r/Baseball! If you haven't visited before, please stop by our wiki to read our rules and FAQ before posting. Ron Robinson, cosmetic chemist and founder of the BeautyStat blog, email interview, June 25, 2019ĭr. Rachel Herschenfeld, doctor at Dermatology Partners in Wellesley, MA, phone interview Perry Romanowski, cosmetic chemist, phone interviewĭr. Mark E Burnett, Steven Q Wang, Current sunscreen controversies: a critical review, Photodermatology, Photoimmunology & Photomedicine, April 1, 2011 Lim, MD, Safety of Oxybenzone: Putting Numbers Into Perspective, JAMA Dermatology, July 1, 2011 Sunscreen: Development, efficacy, and controversies, Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, December 1, 2013īibi Petersen, Hans Christian Wulf, Application of sunscreen-theory and reality, Photodermatology, Photoimmunology & Photomedicine, January 6, 2014 Rebecca Jansen, MD, et al., Photoprotection: Part II. ![]()
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